From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,39579ad87542da0e X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 X-Received: by 10.224.215.194 with SMTP id hf2mr17941386qab.0.1368412444583; Sun, 12 May 2013 19:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Path: y6ni37551qax.0!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-out.news.tds.net!news.ripco.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 16:27:42 +0200 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: References: <19lrzzbgm77v6.1dzpgqckptaj6.dlg@40tude.net> <1bfhq7jo34xpi.p8n2vq6yjsea.dlg@40tude.net> <12gn9wvv1gwfk.10ikfju4rzmnj.dlg@40tude.net> <1cir6d72wemw.qxx9mozot7hl.dlg@40tude.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 15waz9CoS+eMakbyhTPyFQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 X-Received-Bytes: 2775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 2013-05-10T16:27:42+02:00 List-Id: On Fri, 10 May 2013 16:01:46 +0200, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Fri, 10 May 2013 15:54:40 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov > a écrit: >>>> Human intervention is needed to handle the semantics, not because of >>>> multiplicity of implementations. You could choose them randomly. >>> >>> You can't choose randomly, the program must have runtime properties as >>> well. >> >> The only properties a program must have are derived from its semantics, >> per definition. > > The time required for a computation, the memory used, are not part of the > semantic. It is for RT or else irrelevant. > Computational complexity is not semantic. And so irrelevant. >>>> That won't work. If you can derive the program (in the object language) >>>> you don't need the object language anymore. >>> >>> You really can't say “it won't work”, since there are people who already >>> do this, >> >> That is their problem. People do crazy things all the time. > > What's crazy with this? Because it is impossible to do. When meant seriously beyond academic exercises, it is most likely undecidable, incomputable, halting etc. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de