From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ab26e93e5cda5b8a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder3.cambrium.nl!feeder3.cambrium.nl!feeder5.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!217.73.144.44.MISMATCH!ecngs!feeder.ecngs.de!216.196.110.148.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeder.news-service.com!colt.net!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: John McCabe Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GnatBench (from GPL edition) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:10:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <0c45u3pfughmu7ir3qppv068vpilh22e01@4ax.com> <83f3c6f9-603d-45ea-9653-bd4790f84871@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <3mqiu3pdt12sirmn5dko6mjo1snr3infrh@4ax.com> <52ilu39q6mje4df8csr9odpkick389alh2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: assen.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1206832227 8536 80.176.146.77 (29 Mar 2008 23:10:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:10:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:20638 Date: 2008-03-29T23:10:21+00:00 List-Id: Stephen Leake wrote: >>>I've been tempted to switch to Eclipse from Emacs, mostly because Java >>>is better for writing structured code than Lisp; I'm getting tired of >>>fighting obscure Lisp code in Emacs. >> >> Oh no - surely not!!! Don't do it Stephe, who'll look after ada-mode >> :-) >It will just wither away and die. I think Emacs is headed in that >direction anyway. I hope not! >> 1) [GPS is] phenomenally ugly, at least on Windows where the GTK widgets >> it uses just don't (in my opinion) look right. Perhaps GPS Pro is >> better? >I guess you haven't seen Emacs on Win32? Not "pretty" by any >standards. But I just ignore that - I'm looking for function over form. I use Emacs on Win32 on a daily basis! It's still my staple text editor, as it's far better than anything else I know of! >> 2) Who uses it outside the Ada world? Can you get full support for >> Python, Perl, PHP, Ant, Java plug-ins for it, what about ? Are you >> ever likely to? > >Right. That's why I'm considering Eclipse. > >> 4) It's got a silly acronym/abbreviation, it's too much like GPS >> (Global Positioning System)! > >That was discussed when it was first announced. It seems AdaCore >thought the conflation might actually be a good thing, since it would >generate attention. With all due respect to AdaCore (again!), that's a bloody stupid attitude - try searching for GPS on the net and what do you get!? >> With all due respect to AdaCore, I do wonder why they ever bothered to >> create GPS - surely IDEs aren't their core business? >They were looking to expand. And many people seem to expect a compiler >to come with a dedicated IDE. I suspect that's partly so they don't >have to figure out how to tell some other IDE to run the compiler. They seem to have misjudged things a bit in my opinion; these days most people (in my experience) expect compilers to provide a means of plugging in to Eclipse or Visual Studio! (Presumably hence the Hibachi project!)