From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bcba1db9ed24fa7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-10 19:38:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttls1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "DuckE" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3B4B3432.5BAFE9E1@easystreet.com> <3B4B4BF9.12C1E8C@lmco.com> <3B4B613B.25659225@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Death by analogy Part 2 (was Re: is ada dead?) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:38:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.45.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttls1.wa.home.com 994819094 24.248.45.203 (Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:38:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:38:14 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9767 Date: 2001-07-11T02:38:14+00:00 List-Id: "Ed Falis" wrote in message news:3B4B613B.25659225@mediaone.net... > "Michael P. Card" wrote: [...] > > Yes, and the inability to handle it on the procurement side had a lot to do with the demise of several compiler vendors > (who were following the ISV model), because the expectations were for custom support / product enhancement at commodity > prices. Witness the (lack of) success of Aonix' windows product, that was priced comparably to Visual Studio, and > approached it in terms of capability. But Ada customers wanted the kind of support they got with 5-digit development > systems. As an ObjectAda user it is my opinion that the lack of success of Aonix' windows product likely has little to do with wanting the support of 5-digit development systems. Unless support means providing a usable debugger with the system. Until version 7.1.2 the debugger was a bad joke. Still with 7.2 the debugger has some problems (though few). When a debugger doesn't allow you to set breakpoints or exammine the content of arrays of data, or just as bad, incorrectly displays data, it is very frustrating. Frustrating enough to move to a different development environment. Sometimes frustrating enough to move to a different programming language that provides a debugging enviroment that works. In order for ObjectAda to succeed it must be a solid product, and it must continue to grow and improve. Unfortunately, about the same time what I believe is the first viable version of the product was delivered (OA 7.2) Aonix apparently decided that it was not a product worth the significant continued investment to to improve. SteveD > > By the way, Al, I don't remember selling any 6-digit development systems in the 16 years I was with Alsys/Thomson/Aonix. > Maybe the big R got away with it, but I don't think anyone else did, and few tried. > > - Ed > >