From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-07 17:20:04 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!news-xfer.nuri.net!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.pa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dodger" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 00:15:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.2.37.21 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.pa.home.com 989280918 65.2.37.21 (Mon, 07 May 2001 17:15:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:15:18 PDT Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7291 comp.lang.lisp:9798 comp.lang.smalltalk:9548 comp.lang.functional:5561 comp.lang.scheme:3674 comp.lang.perl:2686 Date: 2001-05-08T00:15:18+00:00 List-Id: "Marin David Condic" wrote in message news:9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk... > My advice for a first programming language would be Ada (for a lot of > reasons besides being my favorite language :-) followed by Pascal & maybe > Modula-2. Save the other stuff until the students have progressed a little. Got a better one. It's terrible (which is a better representation of what they will end up doing, most likely), and wonky, and regardless of all your opinions of perl for weal or woe, it makes Perl look beautiful... But, it will get kids programming. LPC. Set them up a mud. Get them to code LPC (a whacked out MUD code C-based ...thing...) or some other MU* code that is actually programmable. After their fifth soul-sucking sword or beer vending machine or pseudo-AI dragonbot, they will have some ideas of what they are doing, most likely, and the ideas on how it really workds will sink into their brains. Besides, think of it like this: You can theorise about what cough medicine to give a two year old all you want, too, but Dimetapp tastes like Koolaid, and they won't spit it out. -- Dodger www.dodger.org www.necrosoft.net www.gothic-classifieds.com