From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!newsfeed.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!franka.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED.rrsoftware.com!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Intervention needed? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:16:06 -0500 Organization: JSA Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <87wokhk289.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:16:07 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: franka.jacob-sparre.dk; posting-host="rrsoftware.com:24.196.82.226"; logging-data="24628"; mail-complaints-to="news@jacob-sparre.dk" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7246 Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:56008 Date: 2019-03-29T17:16:06-05:00 List-Id: "Florian Weimer" wrote in message news:87wokhk289.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de... >* Randy Brukardt: > >> It's also possible that Ada 2020 will have a form of pointer ownership. >> (Unfortunately, we didn't make any conclusions on that during yesterday's >> meeting, so it's still in limbo, and we're getting very close to the >> finish >> line.) > > What about other holes in the type system? Aliasing can occur in > function calls even without pointers. No one submitted any problems in that area (and I don't see why "aliasing" equates to "a hole in the type system" anyway). Personally, I don't think it is possible to meet the goals for efficiency without aliasing -- one would have to eliminate things like by-reference parameter passing and techniques like lookup indexes to avoid aliasing. That sort of thing is pointless, at least when performance (time/space/power) matter. One can always chose to use Ada in a functional manner (by requiring single assignment and the like), but I don't think that functional programming of that sort is practical for larger programs. Randy.