From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED.e7dP0+aAXOAHsOmDzHY4Iw.user.gioia.aioe.org!not-for-mail From: russ lyttle Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada in command / control systems Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:55:07 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <2199b15b-d704-403f-a6c4-00fab29792d5@googlegroups.com> <72738cc8-3f65-4cc1-8c61-b1166cb5e3c2@googlegroups.com> <9807ec3a-4c34-4641-acfa-e9cf22de95ce@googlegroups.com> <520809e3-a705-4b10-8b54-6d67c33158a6@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: e7dP0+aAXOAHsOmDzHY4Iw.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:55841 Date: 2019-03-11T17:55:07-04:00 List-Id: On 3/11/19 1:01 PM, Simon Wright wrote: > russ lyttle writes: > >> I like using the diagrams as an engineering aid. Just not including >> them in the requirements documents. > > Completely agree that models to be automatically converted into code > [even frameworks] can't be part of the requirements, they're part of the > solution. > >> Requirements are (should be) fixed and unchangeable. > > Hollow laughter :-) That line is always good for a few chuckles. > >> The diagrams need to be dynamic and always reflect the current status >> of the code. > > Well, if your process requires that the model is updated first and the > code regenerated, that will happen automatically. We did that. > I've had projects where that happened. And many more where it didn't happen. The main stumbling block was that to change a high-level requirement required re-negotiating and amending the contract. Then the change has to trickle down through all the documentation and process'. I can recall one instance where that process took a year.