From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,f49c8f164340c377 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Current status of Ada? References: <7744bf.vg4.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1188580722.187449.288030@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> From: Markus E L Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:51:34 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wKU5wnNy2CgN7yWropPcnmZWOjg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.215.123 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1188610755 88.72.215.123 (1 Sep 2007 03:39:15 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1640 Date: 2007-09-01T03:51:34+02:00 List-Id: Adam Beneschan wrote: > On Aug 31, 7:25 am, wrote: > >> I used to do a lot of training and consulting for Lockheed and CSC related >> to the Aegis project. Soon after the Paige memo, Lockheed dictated that >> the software for Aegis would be written in C++ instead of Ada. Almost all >> training in Ada stopped, and the programmers were given intensive training >> in C++. I told everyone that it was a big mistake, but my advice was of >> little interest to those who were already biased toward C++. The answer >> was, "We can find C++ programmers right out of university CS programs, >> but no one teaches Ada in CS." > > Sigh... My initial reaction to this is that this thinking is just > totally wrong-headed, and for reasons having nothing to do with the > languages involved. I frankly wouldn't expect good results from > *anyone* who can program in language X because it's what they learned > in college but couldn't pick up language Y; to me, I wouldn't trust > someone like that to have a real understanding of "software" or > "programming", and because of that I wouldn't expect them to write > good software no matter how good language X is, even if it were Ada. > Ada is not a good enough language to make up for a fundamental lack of > software engineering understanding. > > But I could be way off base. No. This was approximately my reaction when I read "can find C++ programmers right out of university". Regards -- Markus