From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!fx08.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Hubert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT GPL is not shareware References: <0Kgqw.953330$_k.685364@fx16.iad> <199c826a-923e-497f-a8e2-9e732c8a5665@googlegroups.com> <87bnmetex4.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <4ae7f0d5-d681-4be9-95bc-b5e789b3ad40@googlegroups.com> <87tx06rve6.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <87lhlirpk0.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <79f3eff7-2b45-40ae-af94-fa9a17426d82@googlegroups.com> <87tx03rbr2.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 150106-1, 01/06/2015), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsdemon.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 01:59:49 UTC Organization: http://www.NewsDemon.com Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:59:46 -0800 X-Received-Bytes: 3779 X-Received-Body-CRC: 611520897 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:24431 Date: 2015-01-06T17:59:46-08:00 List-Id: I should maybe say that I am one of these people who are looking into Ada. The reason is that I realize that the language has much more to offer than C++ and it seems programs are more stable due to the lack of pointer juggling. However, I am reluctant to commit more than some spare time to it and writing more than some stand alone tools because from my point it has an uncertain future. Should Adacore ever break down then there would be no more development that's worth mentioning. Of course there is still a big userbase in Aviation and Space industry but I read that there are movements away from Ada so that is not encouraging either. And I guess many people in my situation feel the same. They look at Ada and say, well it looks good in theory but what are the long term chances for it. Realistically, as a programmer, you have to focus on one language. It is hard enough for me to stay ontop of C++ and I can't say that I know more than 75% of the language, even though I make a living working with it. Today's languages are horribly complex. Which is a reason that I decided for my Ada experiment that I would stay away from OOP because when I read questions about Ada that just make my head smoke and think: how can any human being understand that problem really, then it is always about OOP. OOP is an abomination in my mind, but that's an entirely different subject. I am afraid, unless there is an Ada solution that would make small companies feel secure when they commit a significant amount of time and money, they will never do that. Simply because it's an either or situation with Adacore. And yes, you can use the FSF version, but like I said earlier, if everybody did that, how would Adacore make money and continue to support the compiler? If I use a compiler, I want to make sure the company I buy it from will be there in 10 years and in my mind I do that by paying them money. Unless more people try out Ada, there will be no growth in the userbase. But it's an emotional thing as well, like I said. I want to feel secure about the company who's tools I use. I really wish Adacore would offer a license for small businesses that was more affordable. I think that would lure more people in than a completely free version. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com