From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:39:28 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> <878t7u1cfm.fsf@nightsong.com> <776f3645-ed0c-4118-9b4d-21660e3bba4b@googlegroups.com> <87602fbu2g.fsf@nightsong.com> <87po0mziqt.fsf@nightsong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3CrKQyqWAJZHy6zYVP/kUg.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53168 Date: 2018-06-19T21:39:28+02:00 List-Id: On 2018-06-19 21:19, Paul Rubin wrote: > "Dmitry A. Kazakov" writes: >> There are 50 shades of mess. Ada's generics try to introduce some >> weakly-typed contracts on the formal generic parameters, where C++ >> templates go completely untyped, but mess is always mess. You cannot >> make a decent language out of macro processor. > > I don't understand what you're getting at. Are Ada generics implemented > with a macro processor? C++ templates amount to that, but there are > other, better ways to implement generics. Generics and macros are same thing regardless implementation. The core idea and all power lies in textual substitution as opposed to the concept substitutability in a properly typed systems. You can have shared generic bodies as in Janus Ada, but that changes nothing on the nature of generics. It was a mistake for both Ada and C++ to have them in the first place. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de