From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 21:19:26 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> <878t7u1cfm.fsf@nightsong.com> <8a65f8ff-4a75-43f2-884c-6872780f7ea8@googlegroups.com> <771e8e35-b71a-499d-a0fe-bb0df1de22ab@googlegroups.com> <92741619.550509671.540055.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <81e22064-bb0e-4e0b-982a-c17a2cad5977@googlegroups.com> <1b03e4ff-daf1-4c13-84ef-13aec1ba96e9@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CvkHMVp693S8Z+lk11jyqg.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53086 Date: 2018-06-13T21:19:26+02:00 List-Id: On 2018-06-13 20:58, Shark8 wrote: > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 12:57:34 AM UTC-6, Simon Wright wrote: >> >> Sounds like the Ratinal Environment. > > I've only ever read about it myself; but the people that I've talked with that have personally used it seem to be pretty impressed with it (considering its age and the contemporary environments). I used Rational in one project and can confirm, I was impressed. > IMO, the rise to prominence of Unix and C [and arguably C++] is the worst thing that happened in the field of CS. The amount of money, time, energy, and effort sucked up by these is so staggering to contemplate that it would be difficult to overestimate the costs, both real [e.g. all the buffer overflow vulnerabilities] and opportunities lost [e.g. the low-level of today's "advanced" continuous integration, or the cost of using the FS as a DB, or the costs of moronically considering unstructured text as THE appropriate/native format for storing programs]. Unix, Windows, C could not be so efficient in burning everything down had economical conditions not allowed price dumping, monopolization and in the end killing the SW market. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de