From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:43:39 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: CvkHMVp693S8Z+lk11jyqg.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Content-Language: en-US Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52851 Date: 2018-06-02T14:43:39+02:00 List-Id: On 2018-06-02 14:14, Mehdi Saada wrote: >> I don't understand this push for a new language. > Haven't you complained already how such or such area is unlikely to even be fixed because of backward compatibility ? In most cases it is merely an excuse to reject a change. Most changes can be made keeping everything compatible. E.g. for renaming one can use an alternative syntax (which is needed anyway) and let the old renaming slowly die. >> We should adopt the common C shorthand operators, -=, +=, etc. > What's the problem with @ ? It's more elegant and versatile. You mean @ for idem as in X := Idem + 1; It is semantically problematic because it limits the implementation or forces a wrong implementation in case of temporal, volatile, shared objects. A special operator would allow implementation via proper procedure. It is analogous to automatic dereferencing and indexing. There will be no solution to until these operations will be done via user-defined procedure. No number of kludges and obscure helper type will ever work. Assignment is no different. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de