From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,42490cad53ee37fa X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-in.ntli.net!newsrout1-win.ntli.net!ntli.net!newspeer1-win.ntli.net!newsfe1-gui.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Dr. Adrian Wrigley" Subject: Re: NOACE- End of the road for Ada? User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <87f5a614.0503121108.5b245eaf@posting.google.com> <87f5a614.0503130444.66e658e4@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:50:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.100.88.147 X-Complaints-To: http://www.ntlworld.com/netreport X-Trace: newsfe1-gui.ntli.net 1110750614 81.100.88.147 (Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:50:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:50:14 GMT Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9336 Date: 2005-03-13T21:50:14+00:00 List-Id: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:22:26 -0500, Stephen Leake wrote: > Rod Chapman made an interesting point. Ada has less than 0.1% of the > programmer market. BMW has less than 0.1% of the car market. Is BMW a > failure, or a successful niche player? Ada is a successful niche > player. I found this hard to believe. So I did a quick scan of data to hand. Latest annual revenues: GM : $193 bn Daimler/Chrysler $184 bn Toyota : $176 bn Ford : $171 bn VW : $115 bn Honda : $81 bn Nissan : $75 bn Fiat : $60 bn Volvo : $29 bn BMW : $58 bn BMW dollar revenue is around 5.1% of the total revenue of the listed manufacturers. 0.1% /= 5.1% (off by a factor of fifty :() If you count units shipped, you'd probably get a better picture, and I may have missed some significant manufacturers. US local market data would look less favourable to BMW though. Of course in terms of programming languages, number of programmers, number of programs or value of programs are all plausible measures. The value measure, I believe shows Ada in the best light(?) With the car market, the largest is only 17%. I think the mythical "C/C++" language commands a lot more than that. -- Adrian