From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-04-24 07:12:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.gbronline.com!news.gbronline.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:12:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:12:23 -0500 From: Wesley Groleau Reply-To: wesgroleau@despammed.com Organization: Ain't no organization here! User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-mx, pt-br, fr-ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP References: <9fa75d42.0302260618.7506cba7@posting.google.com> <3E5CF5C6.84822F57@adaworks.com> <8qkczsAcGcn+Ew83@nildram.co.uk> <3EA04A1E.CAFC1FEF@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0304221126.7112b7d5@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0304230439.55d28e70@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0304240503.54dbc5d1@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: <9fa75d42.0304240503.54dbc5d1@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.117.18.108 X-Trace: sv3-TM3+Qdbxwod+Cx99yILejIaRK9q8TgclBkzia+ephgo+p4aWoTXcStV0gQIQnBVwnDWZQPLxqGOw6zD!aLNfNqtYmISY8UrdeOXX22THUNCloaVh4Z6PH4MnUeQa9iW5IyEueRaxI0KQhUMBUD9jd7XwYUVN!n/W0EQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@gbronline.com X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:62605 comp.object:61761 comp.lang.ada:36475 Date: 2003-04-24T09:12:23-05:00 List-Id: > It's the other way around. Software engineering is a fake field > full of charltans, simply because it stands on a false premise -- you > can take anybody and turn them into good disciplined programmers by > applications of certain principles. The actual fact is, results > in software are to a *very* large part related to aptitude. If you That's _partly_ true. No tool can turn an idiot into a genius. But no true genius would be stupid enough to insist on using inferior tools. > If Ada projects had actually succeeded in producing good quality > software, it would have been everywhere today. That's a crock. The few times people have bothered to make empirical comparisons, Ada has come out ahead. But why am I answering a troll? (If you are not merely trying to stir up a fight, why are you cross-posting to "misc.misc" ?