From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ce0900b60ca3f616 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-05 08:05:19 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Ted Dennison References: <9rti6v$hcu$1@news.huji.ac.il> <1EyE7.10050$xS6.13527@www.newsranger.com> <9rue9f$j4t$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <9ruiet$kqg$1@nh.pace.co.uk> <3BE3235D.E292B890@boeing.com> <3BE35498.9F6381A2@acm.org> <9s230d$107b5a$2@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de> <5ee5b646.0111040507.5ca7ea23@posting.google.com> <9s3tl3$111hco$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de> <5ee5b646.0111041846.93f3e07@posting.google.com> <9s5eub02j61@drn.newsguy.com> <3be666fe.6426140@News.CIS.DFN.DE> <9s5skb09lv@drn.newsguy.com> <3be6a7a3.22977140@News.CIS.DFN.DE> Subject: Re: Side-Effects in Functions [Rosen Trick] Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 11:04:37 EST Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:04:37 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15817 Date: 2001-11-05T16:04:37+00:00 List-Id: In article , Preben Randhol says... > >What is the difference between a function with in out and a procedure >with a return value? It amounts to the same thing I think. I think it would actually give functions *back* their purity. It would allow functions to continue to be used for non-side-effect functions, but give folks who would otherwise have to resort to pointers, unchecked_access tricks, or the Rosen trick in a function a language-defined way to achieve the result they require. When reading a spec, "function" would be a bit stronger of a statement about what is going on. Plus folks who feel religously about it could just outlaw value-returning procedures like they always have for "goto". However, I think about %90 of this issue would go away if some other method of modifying "bookkeeping" fields in private types was provided. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.