From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11232c,877ba3d67e73c6c3 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-13 09:05:49 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "martin.m.dowie" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,misc.misc References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <5ee5b646.0204121930.64733eeb@posting.google.com> <5wTt8.15598$C21.3515342@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> <5ee5b646.0204130620.114953ae@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:03:54 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.120.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1018713941 213.104.120.102 (Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:05:41 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:05:41 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22487 misc.misc:6286 Date: 2002-04-13T17:03:54+01:00 List-Id: "Robert Dewar" wrote in message news:5ee5b646.0204130620.114953ae@posting.google.com... > "martin.m.dowie" wrote in message news:<5wTt8.15598$C21.3515342@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com > > > Shame - could have been the most significant announcement > > on this newsgroup for the last 5 years... > > We have no plans to do anything with .NET and GNAT so far, since there > has been absolutely zero significant interest in such a product > (postings on CLA I am sorry to say do not > register as significant interest). In fact the lack of interest is > surprising, we have not even had enquiries on > this topic. > > Needless to say, our assessment of significance is somewhat different > from yours :-) [snip] I totally respect your decisions on what to target new development on - it is your business. I'm just sorry I can't bring the bucks to the table to make it worth while for you (or anyone else) to do this :-( It is a shame that COBOL has Fujitsu to develop COBOL.NET but that Ada has no such large corporate to perform this sort of work. Without such a sponsor it is hard to see how Ada gets out of the catch22 of: User: "Why use Ada when it doesn't support feature X?" Vendor: "Why support feature X when there is no user demand?" Perhaps there is some hope in the 'DotGNU' project. The item that interested me in the FAQ for this is: "1.17 Will C and C++ be supported in DotGNU? Code which is written in C or C++ can be used with DotGNU, *if* it is distributed with DotGNU or otherwise installed like you normally install software. However you cannot use C or C++ to implement webservice programs that are meant to run in the Secure Execution Environment (SEE), like it will be possible with e.g. Java, Ada, C# and Perl - at least not until someone solves the difficult issues of compiling C to some kind of portable intermediate representation in such a way that the Secure Execution Environment can efficiently verify that the program is not trying to do something malicious."