From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Alejandro R. Mosteo" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Killing software and certification Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:54:38 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <9ed9edb1-3342-4644-89e8-9bcf404970ee@googlegroups.com> <26a1fe54-750c-45d7-9006-b6fecaa41176@googlegroups.com> <656fb1d7-48a4-40fd-bc80-10ba9c4ad0a4@googlegroups.com> <6cbd5bb6-e689-4a0d-b83b-3dc88338a01e@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 13:54:38 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: h2725194.stratoserver.net; posting-host="460fb46a4c0350d70ba2f75d850e57e2"; logging-data="5475"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/WBmS9+gM8c1Ia7/Cns1fY" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 In-Reply-To: <6cbd5bb6-e689-4a0d-b83b-3dc88338a01e@googlegroups.com> Content-Language: en-US Cancel-Lock: sha1:omtvNCDIaljBrG5pP6SWxvX68FQ= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51229 Date: 2018-03-28T15:54:38+02:00 List-Id: On 28/03/18 02:21, Jere wrote: > On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 2:32:32 PM UTC-4, Alejandro R. Mosteo wrote: >> >> In the end I'm not sure where I want to go with this post. It's simply >> that I find the topic very interesting. If anyone with actual knowledge >> on the status of automotive software certification (or any informed >> ideas) would share some thoughts I'll be eager to read. >> >> Álex. > > This is quite a bit tangential, but here is a blog post from an expert > who viewed Toyota's code for one of the unintended acceleration cases. > He was called as an expert witness and had some pretty interesting experience > with it. In fact I had read some of these, but not all of them, thanks! Incidentally, thanks everybody for chiming in. I have now a clearer idea of the situation. I guess that it's going to be a long road to autonomous cars, paved with lucrative lawsuits. Álex. > > most recent blog post: > https://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2013/10/an-update-on-toyota-and-unintended-acceleration/ > > older blog posts on the topic: > https://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2011/03/unintended-acceleration-and-other-embedded-software-bugs/ > https://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2011/03/what-nhtsanasa-didnt-consider-re-toyotas-firmware/ > > redacted jury slides: > http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/BarrSlides_FINAL_SCRUBBED.pdf > > testimony transcript: > http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/Bookout_v_Toyota_Barr_REDACTED.pdf > > I thought you might be interested. It isn't about autonomous vehicles, but > it gives a minimum baseline possibly. >