From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM,T_HK_NAME_FM_MR_MRS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!toylet.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Man-wai Chang" Newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.ada,comp.programming,comp.databases.xbase.fox,comp.lang.clipper Subject: Re: Simulating the rolling of dices to produce truly random numbers? Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 01:00:42 +0800 Organization: Hung Hom, Kowloon, Hong Kong Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 17:00:42 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: toylet.eternal-september.org; posting-host="b07c47f0ee9da64b15855692d66b0dd1"; logging-data="27223"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+uCpss5wSRTzX8VwsEpavE" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:lIuuFn6wqbqqsQ5Nfjh0LW72+oI= Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.c:204197 comp.lang.ada:49845 comp.programming:20470 comp.databases.xbase.fox:187 comp.lang.clipper:3105 Date: 2018-01-11T01:00:42+08:00 List-Id: On 11/1/2018 00:59, Robert Wessel wrote: > > Again, if you do it deterministically, you've not created true > randomness. If you have a way of doing non-deterministically, which > means you have a non-deterministic input to your system, just start > from there, and don't go through the silly exercise of simulating the > physical motion of dice. > > IOW, you can't create real random dice rolls unless you have an actual > source of true randomness to input to your dice simulation algorithm. So there is mechanics that could never be modeled using mathematics and computers? -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_pubsvc/page_socsecu/sub_addressesa