From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!newsfeed.xs3.de!io.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!franka.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED.rrsoftware.com!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: some trivial questions? Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:24:52 -0600 Organization: JSA Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <6a5368c5-f015-4dcb-9291-e77b40fa1bf1@googlegroups.com> <87mv3fdsi3.fsf@nightsong.com> <87efoper6i.fsf@nightsong.com> Injection-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:24:52 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: franka.jacob-sparre.dk; posting-host="rrsoftware.com:24.196.82.226"; logging-data="13605"; mail-complaints-to="news@jacob-sparre.dk" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.7246 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:49200 Date: 2017-11-27T18:24:52-06:00 List-Id: "Paul Rubin" wrote in message news:87efoper6i.fsf@nightsong.com... > "Randy Brukardt" writes: >> Creating a model that both formal and understandable by a run-of-the-mill >> language lawyer and finding volunteers to create the model seems unlikely >> (to say the least). > > Well I thought Ada was originally sponsored by big-money defense > agencies, but maybe that was only Ada-83. Ada 9x (which ultimately became Ada 95) was also a big-money project. But all work since has been accomplished basically by volunteers; I'm the only paid person, and only for about 1/4 time. (Volunteers don't do the paper-pushing jobs that are necessary to finish a project, especially in the world of international standards, thus some paid person is necessary, certainly for projects that are long-lasting like Ada.) > Anyway, I do think there was > some formalization work for Scheme in the 1980s and ML in the 1990s. I > can understand how it could be much harder for Ada, since Scheme and ML > operate under some convenient illusions like having infinite memory, > which Ada cannot. There was some formalization work for Ada as part of the Ada 9x project (remember, "big money" as you described it). I don't know much about it other than that it existed; perhaps Tucker Taft or Bob Duff (both of whom worked at the center of the Ada 9x project) know more. Randy.