From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,CTE_8BIT_MISMATCH autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,e6a2e4a4c0d7d8a6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-21 00:22:45 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!feed.news.nacamar.de!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!news2.vol.cz!not-for-mail From: =?iso-8859-2?B?T25k+GVqIFR16G79?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: status of PL/I as a viable language Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:14:01 +0100 Organization: A && L soft, s.r.o. Message-ID: References: <3E51908E.9CCA3412@adaworks.com> <8Gh4a.7455$_c6.743959@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3E51ABCE.5491B9A2@adaworks.com> <3E5273DE.2050206@cox.net> <3E531E6F.BDFB2599@adaworks.com> <3E546C45.4010406@cox.net> <3E54F926.441D5BB5@adaworks.com> <1045763933.848350@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <42EA55F4BE83950E.F1DA277C2FDC157B.C804C1C52FE95D65@lp.airnews.net> <1045769690.126389@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <2lb33b.7d6.ln@jellix.jlfencey.com> <1045772065.590669@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.alsoft.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed X-Trace: news.vol.cz 1045814936 81153 195.250.140.18 (21 Feb 2003 08:08:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vol.cz NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:08:56 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1045772065.590669@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> User-Agent: Opera7.0/Win32 M2 build 2637 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:34331 Date: 2003-02-21T09:14:01+01:00 List-Id: > And the people who used the Patriot battery for too long (again, assuming > this incident is true) caused the failure, not the software. > > Which is to say, complex systems can have complex failure modes, > and the fact that some programming languages will catch simple > errors isn't going to help at all with the complex ones. Not in all cases. Here a complex failure (failure of a Patriot battery) was originally caused by a simple overflow error. And as someone already pointed out, the complex failure would have never happened if the originating simple error was detected and handled properly. So there is a class of complex failures that are caused by simple errors, and so these complex failures can be eliminated by eliminating (detecting & handling) simple errors. -- Ond�ej Tu�n�