From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f849b,b8d52151b7b306d2 X-Google-Attributes: gidf849b,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,a00006d3c4735d70 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-12-28 08:00:24 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out1.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!c2bfcbcf!not-for-mail Subject: Re: Certified C compilers for safety-critical embedded systems Newsgroups: comp.arch.embedded,comp.lang.ada References: <3fe00b82.90228601@News.CIS.DFN.DE> <3FE026A8.3CD6A3A@yahoo.com> <3bf1uvg2ntadvahfud2rg6ujk24sora6gr@4ax.com> <2u3auvogde8ktotlaq0ldiaska3g416gus@4ax.com> <20619edc.0312221020.3fd1b4ee@posting.google.com> <20619edc.0312222106.3b369547@posting.google.com> <45cs9hAbLc6$EAAx@phaedsys.demon.co.uk> <3FEEE0ED.468933FD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: From: Ed Falis Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Opera7.23/Linux M2 build 518 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:00:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.203.120.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1072627223 151.203.120.81 (Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:00:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:00:23 EST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch.embedded:6231 comp.lang.ada:3889 Date: 2003-12-28T16:00:23+00:00 List-Id: On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:51:57 GMT, CBFalconer wrote: > I consider the ideal mixture for embedded systems to be a > combination of assembly, C, and Pascal. The result can be trimmed > down to the abilities of highly incapable hardware, and yet can be > made mutually compatible. I think (and I am willing to be > corrected) that Ada cannot be trimmed substantially and still be > Ada, and even if it can the extra verbiage will deter users. > I think the subset of Ada used by SPARK is a good counter-example. It's not the only one in use, since Ada provides pragmas that restrict functionality to achieve a higher level of determinism, or to reduce/remove the need for runtime library support. - Ed