From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-08 12:07:50 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsrout1.ntli.net!news.ntli.net!newspeer1-win.server.ntli.net!newsfe1-win.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) References: <406EB6D2.8030801@noplace.com> <87d66pyw1g.fsf@insalien.org> <406EEC35.7040109@noplace.com> <874qs0zvy1.fsf@insalien.org> <40714C98.90601@noplace.com> <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> <40729B9D.30906@noplace.com> <1076000ef5oj06f@corp.supernews.com> <0emdncWNfbOyUendRVn-gg@gbronline.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:09:53 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.107.63.68 X-Trace: newsfe1-win 1081451220 81.107.63.68 (Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:07:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:07:00 GMT Organization: NTL Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6865 Date: 2004-04-08T20:09:53+01:00 List-Id: Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler wrote: > chris wrote: > > >>Assuming it is true that an Ada programmer is 10 times more productive >>than a Java programmer, it can only be so assuming *equivalent* tools >>are available to do the job at hand and equivalent programming skill (no >>point in a comparison otherwise). > > > The tool is the language. No, it's a tool not the tool. Java has 2D, 3D, Sound, Swing, Containers, ... all as part of the platform not the language. If the task at hand involves developing something like an image manipulation program Java has tools available to make the job easier, like Java 2D. Ada has no such tools so the Java programmer finishes sooner than the Ada one and has the opportunity to analyse the program sooner. It might be comforting to some people that for simple Text IO applications, the Ada programmer finishes in 1/10th the time than the Java one but I might be writing applications for a set of servers on different platforms, need to parse XML from clients, contact 2 different DBMS from different vendors and stream media to clients as well as interfacing to an accounts system so that's irrelevant to me since it doesn't hold for this application and Ada.