From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,39579ad87542da0e X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 X-Received: by 10.180.160.212 with SMTP id xm20mr1649191wib.0.1368583612679; Tue, 14 May 2013 19:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Path: hg5ni110155wib.1!nntp.google.com!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!193.141.40.65.MISMATCH!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!border2.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border4.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!nrc-news.nrc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!news.litech.org!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:12:22 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <17ceq51ydy3s0.s94miqqzbg5w.dlg@40tude.net> <1vrhb7oc4qbob$.q02vuouyovp5$.dlg@40tude.net> <19lrzzbgm77v6.1dzpgqckptaj6.dlg@40tude.net> <1bfhq7jo34xpi.p8n2vq6yjsea.dlg@40tude.net> <12gn9wvv1gwfk.10ikfju4rzmnj.dlg@40tude.net> <1oy5rmprgawqs.1jz36okze0xju$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uGUognJZXpdb++Da0QvCqg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.15 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2013-05-10T10:12:22+02:00 List-Id: Le Fri, 10 May 2013 09:48:26 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov = a =C3=A9crit: >> Typing is too rigid to do a good job > > Typing is necessarily rigid because I think he meant something else when he said =E2=80=9Crigid=E2=80=9D. I = understood he = meant =E2=80=9Cnot expressive enough=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cnot always appli= cable=E2=80=9D. I would say = =E2=80=9Climited=E2=80=9D (which is less ambiguous, except in terms of A= da wordings). > it is on the next, higher level of > power. Types describe the behavior of sets of values. Nothing you can = do > with individual values could come even close to that, except for trivi= al > cases like enumeration types. To be able to apply types beyond trivial cases, would need to have types= = beyond trivial types. If it is supposed type must be as they already are= , = there is not solution. If it is supposed the concept of type must be = defined, I would say it is what holds a set of axioms which will be = automatically pulled in a context with each reference to that type. = Actually, and except with discriminated records and pre/post condition = (which are not statically checked), the only static capability of types,= = is to enumerate a simple list of values and list operations applicable t= o = that list of values. That's indeed too limited except for trivial cases.= -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity