From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,d2fe8ae54035f25f X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 X-Received: by 10.180.97.198 with SMTP id ec6mr7863131wib.5.1356741684000; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:41:24 -0800 (PST) X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 78.192.65.63 Path: l12ni258741wiv.1!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!news.muarf.org!news.ecp.fr!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: A couple of quick questions Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:41:22 +0100 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <195201b7-c447-4580-aeb4-1c2329ee45e0@googlegroups.com> <0387724a-7fd2-4317-ba16-d3322dd0fdec@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: aWaWeUaBdaj2Zzc04J1v5A.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.12 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-12-29T01:41:22+01:00 List-Id: Le Fri, 28 Dec 2012 21:28:31 +0100, Dufr a =C3=A9crit= : > One more question about Ada, if you don't mind. Ada has a reputation f= or = > being "bloated" and have having too many features. You may think of =E2=80=9CAda, a complex language for a complex world=E2= =80=9D. It comes = with no more complexity than the real world has, and its =E2=80=9Ccomple= xity=E2=80=9D maps = this only. That's not bloat, that's filling expectations. A bloat is something unnecessary. Some things was made language=E2=80=91= native = instead of library=E2=80=91dependent (ex. tasking), and some of the = language=E2=80=91native things can hardly be provided by a library (ex. = numeric = ranges). Bloats may also be seen when there are unnecessary multiple ways of doin= g = one thing, and I don't believe Ada has too much of this (just a few). By the way, bloats are more often encountered in libraries and = applications than in languages (many of them claimed to be general = purpose, suffering from over=E2=80=91simplification, on the contrary). -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity