From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,b6df8f8501cf7275 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 X-Received: by 10.180.74.79 with SMTP id r15mr9388229wiv.4.1356747054198; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) Path: l12ni259217wiv.1!nntp.google.com!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Easiest way to build Qt/Gtk interfaces for Ada programs Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:10:44 +0100 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <1gda5kzj50h3l.jzmq13s0hw74.dlg@40tude.net> <50de4127$0$6567$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aWaWeUaBdaj2Zzc04J1v5A.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.12 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-12-29T03:10:44+01:00 List-Id: Le Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:02:33 +0100, Georg Bauhaus = a =C3=A9crit: > On 29.12.12 01:27, Randy Brukardt wrote: >> It's certainly possible to create a GUI Builder that does most of the= >> busy-work but still allows one to write the rest of a application. > > Perhaps it is an idea to be more specific about "GUI"? > > For some, GUI means dialogs in windows, menus, text fields and various= > buttons, maybe table views. For others, GUI means a responsive > drawing/symbol/model of something that is different in that it is > *not* controlled by text input, or via buttons, because it can't, real= ly. > Rather, the GUI is more graphical: the user is watching/controlling > some 2D graph, say. > Is designing these controls best done using what is available > in typical GUI builders? A mature CAD program would seem a more apt GU= I > builder for this kind of controls. What does game production use? > > For standard views, views that need not be reinvented by each GUI > programmer, I find a GUI builder a productive tool, because one just > needs to fill in the blanks to exactly meet user expectations. > It has built-in knowledge of graphic design. I feel your comments interesting here, in the way they talk about the UI= = as a separate entity, designed separately. Designing an UI and designing= = an application with an UI, is not the same. To design an UI, a tool =C3=A0= =E2=80=91la = Glade is indeed useful (while not required); but it typically won't help= = as much to design an application with an UI. -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity