From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.181.13.75 with SMTP id ew11mr1172861wid.0.1351391049022; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Path: q13ni70610wii.0!nntp.google.com!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!85.12.40.130.MISMATCH!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.panservice.it!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:57:48 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1wzhg6cdjkwjj$.uq66rzr2nlgy.dlg@40tude.net> <39b5b475-41c9-4e69-a648-a84deeff50e9@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: JFh6uxp6SpKIK8rrNoR4vA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.02 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-10-20T12:57:48+02:00 List-Id: Le Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:28:59 +0200, Brian Drummond = a =C3=A9crit: > One point that occurs while writing this : a lot of Ada textbooks > approach Ada purely from a top down design model, that looks highly > formal and very dated to either a hobbyist, or someone schooled in agi= le > programming, refactoring, and so on. It's already good at refactoring. And to me, agile is quasi=E2=80=91perm= anent = refactoring. This may not appears in course presenting top=E2=80=91down = approach, = but that's not that hard to guess error checking is an aid for refactori= ng = and agile. There's no need for a big book, just tell =E2=80=9Cremember t= he tones = of stupid or vicious errors you had to fix during days of testing after = = you moved that from here to there? Ada would had caught near to all the = = error in in a second.=E2=80=9D. When testing is so many time used to wor= karound = the lack of type checking (should really be a fundamental basis to = everyone) and proper dependency declaration between modules, =E2=80=A6. = You see, = it needs just two sentences. -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity