From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,11e38e162c16b469 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.236.116.74 with SMTP id f50mr11691153yhh.33.1344998912882; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Path: c6ni115581197qas.0!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nrc-news.nrc.ca!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: A new name for software failure : the glitch Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:19:16 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <2bd4ae1c-c8c7-4553-9f7f-9b6915b30c33@googlegroups.com> <502512c7$0$6566$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: SrhTjKmyRuK8xWFNU4aKmg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-08-12T01:19:16+02:00 List-Id: Le Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:56:11 +0200, Georg Bauhaus = a =C3=A9crit: > On 10.08.12 14:42, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: >> On 8/4/2012 1:18 PM, francois_fabien@hotmail.com wrote: >>> In finance, software failure can be very expensive very fast. >>> http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/knight-capital-says-trading-m= ishap-cost-it-440-million/ >>> >>> >> >> fyi; >> >> AdaCore issued statement on this error: >> >> August 07, 2012 >> >> http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20120807006365/en/AdaCore/Knight= -Capital-Group/high-frequency-trading >> >> >> some quotes >> >> "It's clear that Knight's software was deployed without adequate = >> verification." >> >> "What is needed is a change in the way that such critical software >> is developed and deployed." >> >> "the aviation industry has demonstrated that safe, reliable real-time= >> software is possible, practical, and necessary" >> >> May be this is a good chance for Ada to get into financial software, = = >> which >> is now dominated by weakly typed and much less robust languages. > > Tricky. Neither Java nor OCaml can be called weakly typed > or not robust. APL implementations do not count as not robust > either, AFAIK. And, as the article mentions, it is not even clear > yet whether *any* formal verification software could have > prevented the effect; So the reason resides in specifications? > from what I know, it is more likely an algorithmic error that might ha= ve > to do with "<=3D" and ">" You told either too much or not enough :-D -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity