From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,4d3e59455e947c5e X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.180.72.205 with SMTP id f13mr169179wiv.4.1344572089657; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Path: n2ni53891528win.0!nntp.google.com!volia.net!news2.volia.net!feed-A.news.volia.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border4.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!94.232.116.12.MISMATCH!feed.xsnews.nl!border-2.ams.xsnews.nl!news.panservice.it!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Suitability of Ada as a general-purpose language Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:21:15 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: JJlVT+9y+jf9FkMrqTlCaA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-08-03T21:21:15+02:00 List-Id: Le Tue, 31 Jul 2012 06:19:58 +0200, Randy Brukardt = a =C3=A9crit: > "Brian Drummond" wrote in message > news:jv70gq$v6u$1@dont-email.me... > ... >> Executable size is a poor measure of efficiency; the Ada runtime syst= em >> (RTS) provides a LOT of facilities that "Hello World" doesn't need. A= ny >> decent sized application will need them, whatever language it is writ= ten >> in. > > Right. We used to tell people that back in the early days of Ada, but = few > people bought that argument. (playing the devil's advocate) Does that mean that =E2=80=9Cnot decently sized=E2=80=9D applications ar= e not Ada's = target? Then, any one can define what =E2=80=9Cdecently sized=E2=80=9D i= s? It's not fair = that when a compiler fails in an aspect (an aspect which is not relevant= = to its main audience, I agree), to get the point away with pretexts. The Hello World program here, is a place=E2=80=91holder for tiny applica= tions. = There may be good reasons for people to expect tiny applications to have= = tiny executable images: there may be a lot of them, whose size cumulates= , = and they may be launched often for a short time, in sequence; better a = tiny executable image here. Then, the big Hello World image can give = people an honest enough feeling of bloating or else poor dependencies = management capabilities. GNAT producing big executable images for tiny applications, and GNAT = purpose not being at producing efficient executable image for that kind = of = application, is not a reason to push that issue away. -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity