From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,4c414b671e6762ef X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.180.72.205 with SMTP id f13mr625252wiv.4.1345237668306; Fri, 17 Aug 2012 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Path: q11ni181646354wiw.1!nntp.google.com!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!85.12.40.138.MISMATCH!xlned.com!feeder5.xlned.com!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!plix.pl!newsfeed2.plix.pl!217.153.128.51.MISMATCH!nf1.ipartners.pl!ipartners.pl!news.internetia.pl!news.icm.edu.pl!fu-berlin.de!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Vasiliy Molostov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: copyright questions Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:46:21 +0400 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <9aa82823-3b7b-4212-949a-780efa7d7cc1@googlegroups.com> <7c43f9ce-3cb4-4116-948b-9801238ed47b@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: Xw13RWgh8yxgPSv0x3+H9w.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-08-15T03:46:21+04:00 List-Id: Yannick Duch=C3=AAne (Hibou57) =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1= =81=D0=B0=D0=BB(=D0=B0) =D0=B2 =D1=81=D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=91=D0=BC = =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=8C=D0=BC=D0=B5 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:22:18 +0400: > Le Tue, 14 Aug 2012 17:39:22 +0200, Vasiliy Molostov = > a =C3=A9crit: > >> APIs are not patentable, since does not contain any formula or proces= s = >> description, they are writings in a tangible fixed form in nature, = >> instead you can issue patent on interface protocol, which describes a= = >> process (for example - ada task body). >> >> Ada 2012 standard comes with contracts in specifications (with PRE =3D= > = >> ... etc) and can make them patentable (more patentable than before), = = >> since specification becomes a formula. > > What kind of formulas are patentable? At least, I'm rather sure math = > formulas are not. > You're right, patent formulas. see the link I have attached above in the= = thread. > I heard to say patents are mainly intended to protect investment made = in = > physical processes researches (which are indeed typically more expensi= ve = > than computer based research and modelling). or controlling some kind of harwdare, for example - fukusima reactor. ve= ry = physical. > There are also some laws intended to allow reverse engineering, when = > this is justified by needs for interoperability. yes, perhaps, this is not a copyright matter for this thread, I suppose.= > I guess balancing between the right for interoperability and the right= = > for patent, would be an horror. ? You've made interoperable solution, you have got a profit, then - be = kindly obligated to pay for a patented work use, or be sued for a license cost, copyright can even restrict such use at all up to a criminal penalty. > Patenting API and protocol (not internal protocols, which is different= ), = > would be like patenting the precise definition of a standard screw = > thread. perhaps. many "standard" screws are patented indeed, as their screwdrive= rs = too. > Hardly believable, isn't it? With software, you have ways to protect = = > your stuff, you don't have with physical things. Protect from what? driver can break my monitor, robot can break someone = = head - why not? a process is patentable. > For physical things, you have no choice, except patents. picasso had designed a plate with his hand on it. copyrighted. very cost= = expensive thing, btw. > For software, patents are not required: you can decide to not publish = = > sources How about jpeg2000 and wavelet compression algorithms (for example - ECW= = file format and its client access library)? > than to protect non-trivial original computation techniques distribute= d = > as machine instructions). mathematics are not patentable (but copyrightable) since they are abstra= ct = (not intended for use by hand), in a case they are concreted in its application they become patentable = (along with its application), please read link (cm14.zip) Please be careful with reading since this matter (copyright and laws) is very refined and can bring your mindset in a duality of meanings. Als= o, = Torvalds said that patents in software and its language (which is english but not indeed english) -= = is a crap. I agree. -- = =D0=9D=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=B2 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D1=87= =D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=BC =D0=BA=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82=D0=B5= =D0=B1=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=83=D0=B7=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B0 Opera: http://www.oper= a.com/mail/