From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,735c710b5e547bad X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.181.11.234 with SMTP id el10mr1333731wid.2.1343317359460; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Path: q11ni76386117wiw.1!nntp.google.com!feed-C.news.volia.net!volia.net!news2.volia.net!feed-A.news.volia.net!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.swapon.de!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Vasiliy Molostov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada 2005 puzzle Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:37:21 +0400 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <1arp60wtxes8h$.1qs6bt732ztgp.dlg@40tude.net> <030cde76-7435-405d-9f12-ac7f730ecab8@googlegroups.com> <1f9q6vk5z2r3t$.1hayo9rmxfwu7$.dlg@40tude.net> <7308644e-bfbe-44c1-8359-d67392d483e1@googlegroups.com> <1dgc6c6mortfo$.sdphq83df7gu$.dlg@40tude.net> <18usgh1w2ngg.18qc1w5q89um4.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: Xw13RWgh8yxgPSv0x3+H9w.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.00 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-07-21T23:37:21+04:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0= =BB(=D0=B0) =D0=B2 =D1=81=D0=B2=D0=BE=D1=91=D0=BC =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D1=8C= =D0=BC=D0=B5 Sat, = 21 Jul 2012 23:03:31 +0400: > Initialization is more specific than construction. There can be > uninitialized objects. But any accessible object is conceptually > constructed. > I am afraid that this concept came from lisp and smalltalk where these = languages declared as functional. Ada seems procedural, like pascal, and standard refers to initialization= , = not construction. Perhaps, this misconception is the purpose for such = things: for any embedded system this construction may be done by = translator/compiler, and in a resulting flash-rom image there is only = initialization with actual values is needed (being minimized and optimiz= ed = already). Ada prefers static definitions, and even has a special term fo= r = this job: elaboration. I doubt that you can construct complex object without elaboration and = initialization of it and its components in ada. -- = =D0=9D=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE =D0=B2 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D1=87= =D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=BC =D0=BA=D0=BB=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=BD=D1=82=D0=B5= =D0=B1=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=83=D0=B7=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B0 Opera: http://www.oper= a.com/mail/