From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,2573df63ff37c586 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.68.195.131 with SMTP id ie3mr3619233pbc.8.1335937033166; Tue, 01 May 2012 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Path: r9ni122335pbh.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Adaforge? Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 07:37:11 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <10872380.887.1335622497447.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfr18> <27505966.1982.1335867375380.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynei5> <9774792.924.1335912962276.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbez18> NNTP-Posting-Host: mK+ypGdR/OcQBGyYZk7SIg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.00 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-05-02T07:37:11+02:00 List-Id: Le Wed, 02 May 2012 00:56:02 +0200, Patrick = a =C3=A9crit: > As someone new myself, I have been worried as to why: > > -Many Ada sites have a circa 1995 look to the them > > -Many of these sites talk about Ada 95 furthering the outdated fears Ada 95 was a major event for Ada, that's the reason why. This ended with= = many people discovering Ada is worth, and with multiple personal = initiatives to make people learn about Ada. Some of these initiative are= = not maintained any more, but are still there on the web. This does not = prevent more updated sites to be there too, you just have to add them in= = your bookmarks. Google like long time standing sites, which seems to be = = reference sites for that bot. Another reason why these sites pops=E2=80=91= up = during your web=E2=80=91search, is that many topic covered by later Ada = versions, = was already covered by older versions. If you search the web about the = famous Ada tasking model, there is no issue if you land to an Ada 95 pag= e. = If you search the web about the to=E2=80=91be=E2=80=91famous design by c= ontract in Ada, = you will land to pages with references to Ada 2012, because prior Ada = versions did not have this. This may be a matter only if you are seeking= = for web pages about Ada in the large. If you land on an Ada 95 page duri= ng = such a request, then indeed, this may be an issue. > -A private company seems to be the centre of the Ada and profit has to= > be their goal Which is a good thing, as it suggest Ada may value at least as much as a= = pound of potatoes. Further more, I feel AdaCore do more for Ada than the= = FSF do, even if I admit FSF as a role too. At least, you have more to wa= it = from AdaCore than from FSF here. > -Many of these sites have dead links Because Ada is there since long. The same with many sites about C++, man= y = of them have dead links too, and this does not prevent people for learni= ng = about C++, they just avoid some page. You can't force these sites to = disappear, nor you can force the creation of so many new sites so that y= ou = could shadow the old ones. > If we had an AdaForge site that was/had: > > -A modern look and feel > -Highlighted projects that were not mission critical/military > -Highlighted Ada's usefulness on multicore machines > -highlighted a not-for-profit effort > -highlighted projects that were mixed with other languages > -highlight the open source compiler More easy to request than easy to do (especially if you assert profit is= = bad). I don't expect a miracle from an AdaForge or anything similar. = Better a news site with references to existing projects, and there are = already sites like this. -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity