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Subject: Re: What would you like in Ada202X?
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:36:24 +0200
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Le Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:10:33 +0200, Nasser M. Abbasi <nma@12000.org> a  =

=C3=A9crit:
> I do not think Ada needs more language lawyers adding more fancy thing=
s  =

> to it :)
>
> What Ada needs is more user libraries for all sorts of things. More  =

> bindings, and such.

Precisely what I disagree with since very long. Some people tends to say=
  =

=E2=80=9CX's a good language=E2=80=9D, and when you ask them why as you =
are pointing some  =

issues, they may replies with things looking like =E2=80=9CI could send =
an e=E2=80=91mail  =

with a single line of source=E2=80=9D: that's not the language, but the =
library.  =

Library and language should not be confused. The only kind of library  =

required for a language, is the runtime (*). Libraries may make a langua=
ge  =

famous, but can't make a language better. Both should be clearly distinc=
t  =

things in the mind of everyones. A language is not just intended to reus=
e  =

what's already done, it's also intended to do.


(*) To be more general, all parts of the standard library which are  =

required for some of the language features to be meaningful. Ex.  =

Ada.Finalization.

-- =

=E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1]
=E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.=
=E2=80=9D [1]
[1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers=
ity