From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,6487f59679c615d8 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr592804bkt.4.1336657059104; Thu, 10 May 2012 06:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Path: h15ni1638bkw.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Reference Manual 2012 in info format Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:37:37 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <82aa1ud0l3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <20120509131736.63c924c8@vostro> <17qiwxc1yxhx7$.11tflala8jabh$.dlg@40tude.net> <4faa7790$0$9508$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <1qod0a82z1gx4.6ncrd98m7cz3.dlg@40tude.net> <2nfobsn64ovj$.yo1ugseoo72.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bAKWcbxzW9bhkDbfmEytBA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.00 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-05-10T15:37:37+02:00 List-Id: Le Thu, 10 May 2012 09:13:56 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov = a =C3=A9crit: >> Not for everything: for when a standard structured serialization is = >> really >> better (and that's often the case). > > I don't know what "standard structured serialization" is. May be my English is not so good, sorry :P I meant, standard serializati= on = for structured data, structured as a tree, and potentially as a graph, v= ia = IDs and IDREFs. > But XML is bad > for serialization (if persistence meant). It is awful to describe > structures (because it lacks means to handle dependencies, referential= > semantics, decomposition means, whatever abstraction power, types, = > semantic > checks present in any language since FORTRAN IV etc. As a "language" i= t = > is > really retarded.) That's the role of document type definitions, which can be either DTD (t= he = legacy and most widely used solution, which is inherited from the SGML = era), or XSD (the most standard one along with DTD) or RNG and Schematro= n. >> Then, XML does not came alone, it comes with XSLT, XPath, XQuery and >> XProc, > > Which also reveals much about its usability. You don't need any tools = to > handle a *usable* thing. No? You don't need tool to check Ada source legality? -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity