From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,4ffc4a297a9f10e0 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.84.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!feeder.news-service.com!94.75.214.39.MISMATCH!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Thoughts on AdaCore maintaining GCC-incompatible GNAT sources Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:50:39 +0100 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <62c8c6c1-6578-4e61-b68a-2c192f34aa94@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <1456fbc5-f951-4721-8575-0b73a492f275@r29g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: Ytbm1wnfaYrLLNPp/2uoww.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.00 (Win32) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:17554 Date: 2011-01-20T15:50:39+01:00 List-Id: Le Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:37:01 +0100, Ludovic Brenta = a =C3=A9crit: Ludovic, forgive me, I guess you will not enjoy this reply. > > > I agree with your frustration with the fact that AdaCore keeps some of= > their source repositories, notably GNAT and ASIS, secret. This is > especially frustrating when you try to build GPS from the trunk, which= > usually requires a recent (but secret) version of GNAT. There are two GNAT, you are talking like there was only one. > This frustration is harmful for AdaCore, too, since it has already > discouraged valuable input and contributions (e.g. bug reports from > Dmitry); in fact it has already caused some people to dismiss GNAT as > a "closed" compiler altogether[1]. Dismissed ? And they switched to what ? They build there own compiler ? = Or = what else ? > [1] http://www.libroscope.org/Benchmark-23-logiciels-libres This page is french ;) Any way, the topic: it says : =E2=80=9CGNAT Pro := 0% libre=E2=80=9D = and seems to complain about it. GNAT Pro ? What a joke, where did they see GNAT Pro was ever promoted as= = libre ? Is GNAT Pro provided on libre.adacore.com ? The answer is No. On= = libre.adacore.com, you get GNAT GPL, GNAT Pro was never promoted as libr= e, = is another product which is available on another area of the site. (I leaved this page right after I've seen this line, because it appears = it = is not honest) > But I fear only a large paying customer could persuade AdaCore to > publish their sources more frequently and no large paying customer is > interested in that. Just like the baker=E2=80=A6 he more enjoy to give his products to payin= g clients = (or else how the whole economy works is to be updated; but no-body care=E2= =80=A6 = especially if they just want get =E2=80=9Cthis=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctha= t=E2=80=9D for nothing). And why not promote some funding from other users ? Let say 1200 users o= f = the GPL version, each funding $10 e year (relatively accessible), this = will reach the level of pricing for GNAT Pro on Windows. Try to negotiat= e = with AdaCore for a special kind of contract on this basis. Is that an = valid option ? This would not offer a full-support GNAT obviously, but = this may help to get more (very probably). > Having said that, I think it should be possible to move forward > nevertheless. I would like it if Debian could ship a JGNAT package for= > example :) > > -- > Ludovic Brenta. Above all, remember what you do yourself is always 100% libre for yourse= lf = (kidding) -- = Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c=E2=80=99es= t pas pour = les chiens. =E2=80=9CI am fluent in ASCII=E2=80=9D [Warren 2010]