From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,e276c1ed16429c03 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!94.75.214.39.MISMATCH!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular! Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:33:59 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <4cc4cb65$0$6985$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <5086cc5e-cd51-4222-a977-06bdb4fb3430@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> <14fkqzngmbae6.zhgzct559yc.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: o1huFJB2ANcHlWoNFASSiA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.63 (Win32) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14758 Date: 2010-10-25T21:33:59+02:00 List-Id: Le Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:33:21 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov = a =C3=A9crit: > It saved Ada, but GCC didn't save the market, which was almost dead I do not even think so. What I am disappointed about with Ada in this = context is that Ada could be a chance to do better=E2=80=A6 not to be mo= re = productive (I personally don't like a lot the target of always being mor= e = productive), but to do things better. But why one would invest itself = using Ada, which as every one knows, does not even let you compile every= = thing right away as many would want, if this is for the same final resul= t ? Produce cheaper, implies less investment or compression of costs. It is = = even worse when you have to produce for free (by the way, many people ev= en = avoid such an adventure). If you have to produce for free, you better to= = it very quickly and with the less investment as possible, thus you bette= r = use C than Ada :( This is in my opinion, one of the reason why Ada is so much less used in= = common software (which must be given for free, because authors don't hav= e = the choice) and near to only used in critical areas. That is also why a hate a bit to always read Ada is a language for safet= y = critical applications. I would like to say No, it is well suited for man= y = thing else. Why common applications should not be designed well ? Does i= t = requires to be a critical application to be readable (while to be = readable, Ada is not enough, this requires other stuff) and well design = ? = I hope not. Ada should be used even in these other area, but it cannot, because the = = authors will simply feel =E2=80=9Cwhy bother doing better if doing bette= r will not = make me better ?=E2=80=9D And so you have 99% of applications designed in C (which does not even = support such a basic thing as real modularity) and Ada restricted to the= = only niches where consumers agree this is worth some investment and = given-for-free is not the main or even commonly only requirement. -- = Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c=E2=80=99es= t pas pour = les chiens.