From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,e276c1ed16429c03 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!94.75.214.39.MISMATCH!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular! Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:21:45 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: s8o0tVg79n3OlbBbBn5miA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.63 (Win32) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14723 Date: 2010-10-24T23:21:45+02:00 List-Id: Le Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:07:13 +0200, ramon_garcia = a =C3=A9crit: > As a newcomer into Ada, perhaps I can have a useful point of view of > what makes it difficult to enter this language. > > Here are my complains in decreasing order: > > - Vendor dependency: there are few vendors of Ada products. Surprisingly, you did not explicitly noticed the higher complexity of th= e = language, compared to C, Pascal and others ? If designing a C compiler w= as = more complex, then there would be as much less C compilers in the place.= > I don't have a problem for paying for using an Ada > tool. Some can say that, but just too few, that is why very little people will= = attempt to go and expect some clients. But we are in another area there = : = GPL efficiently killed little companies and standalone developers and = created such a context that only big company could stay alive=E2=80=A6 i= ndeed a = trouble there. That was just to say why your confession is tiny thing in= = the middle of a desert : no one will go in that desert for a single peop= le = waiting for them there. > (I am writing free software at the moment, but perhaps not in > the future). But, how much? There is no pricing information in the > Adacore website, I noticed the same. I agree this is not good commercial practice to not = = display pricing (while this may means this is subject to negotiations). = = Most commonly, prices are not displayed when this is high. And with = AdaCore, this is high. But some are far less expensive, at least there i= s = one, RRSoftware and its Janus Ada (I am afraid this is the only one). > and if for whatever reason I have an unsuccessful > experience with them I have no alternative. The same with GCC. That's true not only with commercial vendors. The are= a = of choices is narrow here, as much as it is difficult to go to try to = become a vendor (for the reason exposed above). > My message to vendors is that it is more profitable to be the 10 % > of 100.000.000 sales than 100 % of 1000 sales. It is neccessary to > have a good free compiler and IDE to build a community. Not sure I've understood this one. 10% of 100.000.000 sales with a free = = IDE ? > - Complex language that requries plenty of typing. This can be avoided= > with good developing environments that automate the task, like Eclipse= > does for Java. Adacore's GPS is not too bad, but not nearly as > polished as Eclipse. At least I would expect to have an option "new > package" that defines a package spec and body. In GPS, you may create Python plug-in for that. > Or that declaring a > function in the spec creates an empty body You have GNATStub for that. > - Missing language features. Such a complex language must have design > issues. I find suprising that Object'Pool_Address extension from GNAT > is not standard. You are, and every one is welcome to submit comment to ada- = comment@ada-auth.org Providing you make a robust enough suggestion, with rationals, discussio= n, = etc. -- = Si les chats miaules et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c=E2=80=99est= pas pour = les chiens.