From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,751d508677a5add1 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: [Ada] made me hate programming Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:44:17 +0200 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <8f469661-370c-4484-82d8-f1b365455e0f@w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <98aa58b3-50fc-418d-9f72-524b5a23c89d@t10g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4DAVr2KhxAahdrPcUWQi/w.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.61 (Win32) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:13673 Date: 2010-08-23T18:44:17+02:00 List-Id: Le Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:51:34 +0200, Warren a =C3=A9cr= it: >> You got it (about the compile-time bug-box, especially when you do no= t >> have any other choice for the compiler) > > It can be a fun exercise to see what is provoking the > bug box. Except when this ends to understand there will be no good workaround and= = you will have to change many thing (especially do not like it if what ha= s = to be changed.... is at the interface level) > While it is best to report those, I do find that > the present reporting "process" is too time consuming. > I find it is quicker and eaiser to find a work-around > and hope that the bug has already been reported. > > Only as a last resort, I'll report it. They need to > make that process easier somehow. For example, allow > the user to just send all the *.adb and *.ads files > used. I see a good reasons for that: this avoid local configuration or project= = layout to interfere. This is just like when an application hang for some= = user special configuration reason which are not of the application = responsibility and you have to be sure of that. Also, just think bug repository may be actively feed: just try to imagin= e = yourself at the other side of this stream. =E2=80=9COuch!=E2=80=9D you w= ill say. I agree this is tedious (I have multiple bug reports pending because I a= m = not sure of some submission requirement details), but just think of it a= s = a little fee you give back (no one enjoy to b a slave). I suppose = commercial support may be more relaxing regarding how bug reports are = received (this probably may even be the source of a whole application wi= th = ugly make files and etc). > Instead they insist on *ada files and don't want > anything that is not involved. Gnat tries to name > the involved sources, but I have found that this isn't > reliable - resulting in more futzing around. Yes, that is why I prefer this: =E2=80=9Cremove a component, see if the = bug still = express, remove a component, see if the bug ...=E2=80=9D, until I can ge= t = something small enough and as much as possible free of any external = dependencies or external libraries (if needed, you may also create an = local extract of library dependencies). This is good not just in the = eventuality of a bug report, but also for yourself if ever you like to = archive sources exposing bugs for you own regression tests or just to no= t = forget what you already learned about the bugs of a given application. -- = * 3 lines of concise statements is readable, 10 pages of concise = statements is unreadable ; * 3 lines of verbose statements may looks unuseful, 10 pages of verbose = = statements will never looks too much pedantic