From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3d76796391769899 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!weretis.net!feeder2.news.weretis.net!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Improving the first contact with Ada Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:35:31 +0200 Organization: Ada At Home Message-ID: References: <41d3829e-286d-4894-9140-31343bfa75ac@o12g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <82y6fgxncs.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <82aarux3g3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <2da7ba0b-0c45-4c7b-a523-b3438e43212a@j27g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <87k4qsapgr.fsf_-_@ludovic-brenta.org> <096e5f19-ed4d-4c02-b889-88856ac0d5c7@5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> <87y6eiohup.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <472c5f8a-111f-429f-acf5-b50b76079241@3g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> <87typ6ocf4.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: BIOCWHa1003G4Wn+vUItTQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.53 (Win32) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:12661 Date: 2010-06-14T00:35:31+02:00 List-Id: Le Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:22:39 +0200, Ludovic Brenta = a =C3=A9crit: >> Sorry, I know Ada is about content and the image it radiates, >> esthetically, maybe the least of your concern (I don't point you >> directly Ludovic) but the web site of ADAIC is a time machine to >> ~1993. I came across that site often and I left it as many times >> because I though this was an obsolete site! >> >> Seriously, it needs refreshing! > > I agree. Maybe that's the problem with Ada people: they spend too muc= h > time writing quality software and not enough doing marketing. I try t= o > do my part in the technical marketing department but I'm not a webmast= er > or a graphics designer. I think you'd get the same kind of anwser fro= m > most people on this newsgroup. If may give my opinion. 1) Most of time, people who says =E2=80=9Csoftware designers are poor gr= aphic = designers=E2=80=9D, are themselves poor software designer. They stop on = graphic = design, because this is the sole thing whose quality they are able to = evaluate (does not only applies to Ada, this also applies with web = applications written in JavaScript and the like). 2) People seeking for documentation, should be aware that, when seeking = = for documentation, documentation should come first! Not graphical design= ! = What can you expect from someones who run away from a graphical design a= nd = prefer to go elsewhere, with may be a better graphical design, but lower= = quality documentation. Look at Jean Pierre Rosen's AdaControl : may some= = others sites has a better graphical design than his one, but none has su= ch = an application as AdaControl. A choice must be made and every one is = responsible for his/her choice. 3) AdaIC has a graphical identity, if it change it, pretty sure many bod= y = gonna ask themselves what happened (=E2=80=9Cis it still the same AdaIC = ?=E2=80=9D) 4) AdaIC design is not so bad, it is even good (well balanced and = constant). Old fashioned ? What was nice 15 years ago is ugly now ? So = people 15 years ago all had bad taste ? Something is silly in this = assertion, and even some famous web designers agree that this is a silly= = point of view (some lough out loud when they here about so called =E2=80= =9CWeb 2.0 = graphical style=E2=80=9D). 5) If you want to differentiate from others, don't copy everyones else = graphical identity, get yours. Hope I did no went too much off-topic. -- = There is even better than a pragma Assert: a SPARK --# check. --# check C and WhoKnowWhat and YouKnowWho; --# assert Ada; -- i.e. forget about previous premises which leads to conclusion -- and start with new conclusion as premise.