From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ad06d2d7cb045687 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.68.222.71 with SMTP id qk7mr8841595pbc.1.1328442004215; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:40:04 -0800 (PST) Path: lh20ni262996pbb.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Yannick_Duch=C3=AAne_=28Hibou57?= =?utf-8?Q?=29?= Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Silly and stupid post-condition or not ? Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 12:40:01 +0100 Organization: Ada @ Home Message-ID: References: <82wr86fzos.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <5af407fc-2868-44ca-84d2-c51a2a64104d@o4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com> <82k445fu9n.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <82ty36urik.fsf@stephe-leake.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: kM9tie64fStpd0TGMCE/dQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (Linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Date: 2012-02-05T12:40:01+01:00 List-Id: Le Sun, 05 Feb 2012 07:29:21 +0100, Randy Brukardt = a =C3=A9crit: > A large part of the problem that I see with proof tools is that they = > often > require peeking into the body to verify calls. This is just plain wron= g, > because it means that the proof has to be redone if the body changes. = = > And it > also means that the body has to exist (and in a near-final form) befor= e = > the proof can be valuable. Seems strange assertion. With SPARK, you prove the implementation is conforming to its = specification. So, obviously, if the implementation changes, then you ha= ve = to prove it again, but just like you have to recompile it again. No implementation is required to refer to a signature. SPARK will relies= = on the annotations associated with the signature every where a given = subprogram is invoked. Just like Janus/Ada seems to compile, after what = = you explained elsewhere. Or else I did not understand what you meant. Were you thinking about automated and =C3=A0=E2=80=91posteriori analysis= tools? This = are not proof=E2=80=91tools. -- = =E2=80=9CSyntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.=E2=80=9D [1] =E2=80=9CStructured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.= =E2=80=9D [1] [1]: Epigrams on Programming =E2=80=94 Alan J. =E2=80=94 P. Yale Univers= ity