From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 5b1e799cdb,3ef3e78eacf6f938 X-Google-Attributes: gid5b1e799cdb,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.neu.edu.cn!newsgate.cuhk.edu.hk!news.netfront.net!not-for-mail From: wwilson Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.modula3,comp.programming Subject: Re: Alternatives to C: ObjectPascal, Eiffel, Ada or Modula-3? Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:15:03 -0400 Organization: Netfront http://www.netfront.net Message-ID: References: <4fc0934e-197b-4a02-a006-4b64072897b2@h18g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <7020ad82-ed09-4c87-8f46-db23bf2fa866@32g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.73.98.219 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: adenine.netfront.net 1248484542 52848 68.73.98.219 (25 Jul 2009 01:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@netfront.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:15:42 +0000 (UTC) To: "Jon Harrop" User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.61 (Win32) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.eiffel:420 comp.lang.ada:7334 comp.lang.modula3:104 comp.programming:12029 Date: 2009-07-24T21:15:03-04:00 List-Id: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:31:45 -0400, Jon Harrop wrote: > tm wrote: >> Simplicity of languages and their implementation got lost somehow... > > The F# team at Microsoft used to advertise that their compiler was under > 10kLOC. > Am I the only one that remembers when computers came with a maximum of a few kbytes. I personally know of one full FORTRAN IV compiler for the IBM 1130 that fit into 8 K bytes. My favorite programming feat was the way that IBM squeezed a whole COBOL compiler into 1400 bytes on the IBM 1401. The much later PDP 11 came with a max of 64 kbites. This was a popular machine and whole organizations managed to get by using it. If you're not familar with the PDP 11, C is a structured assembly language for it and the original commercial versions of UNIX were developed on this machine. In short: Program bloat is not new. The pioneers of computing managed with amounts of memory that seem unbelievable by todays standards. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/