From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "G.B." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Community Input for the Maintenance and Revision of the Ada Programming Language Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:54:02 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <79e06550-67d7-45b3-88f8-b7b3980ecb20@googlegroups.com> <9d4bc8aa-cc44-4c30-8385-af0d29d49b36@googlegroups.com> <1395655516.524005222.638450.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <1965864878.524005725.686266.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <085872f2-2876-401d-9661-4ca5c82bb7ea@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@notmyhomepage.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 05:49:51 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="a49a54c9784353c0ec8436ecd4857116"; logging-data="27140"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ZfJFP4NZ3vZZSVgaQcFo4l9pL00vJrm0=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:J6dLTvMiuG3RbHHjLOa8aGq/r8o= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:47695 Date: 2017-08-11T07:54:02+02:00 List-Id: On 11.08.17 03:24, Randy Brukardt wrote: > The downside of having one dominant vendor is > that they're going to set the agenda in many ways, and that agenda is thus > safety-critical embedded systems. As a corollary, the dominant vendors in the programming tools market can create the illusion of their languages being intrinsically bundled with their libraries, OSs, and so on. In this way, a correlation can become a fixed association in our minds. Witness this thread. Swift per se is not tied to Cocoa; Java per se is not tied to JVMs; C is not tied to either microcontrollers or Unix; ... To what is Ada per se tied, actually? If any vendor can dominate a programming market, when competitors are starving, then we know at least how demand is responding to supply. Or that Customers = Sheep. Or that the company won't fire you for buying the dominator's. Or that being a passive follower will pay. Facilitating the negations of the above will facilitate improvements to Ada. Good luck!