From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-14 14:46:23 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.binc.net!kilgallen From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Date: 14 Apr 2002 16:46:18 -0500 Organization: LJK Software Message-ID: References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CB77A6B.5090504@snafu.de> <184076622a7c648f157c56e417bd86d4.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> <3CB9375F.8040904@snafu.de> <3CB9AF3C.8030301@snafu.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: eisner.encompasserve.org X-Trace: grandcanyon.binc.net 1018820779 18686 192.135.80.34 (14 Apr 2002 21:46:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@binc.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22531 Date: 2002-04-14T16:46:18-05:00 List-Id: In article <3CB9AF3C.8030301@snafu.de>, Michael Erdmann writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> In article <3CB9375F.8040904@snafu.de>, Michael Erdmann writes: >> >> >>>This is exaclty the impression i have my self. So i was wondering >>>if Ada could take a new direction, when the open source communitiy is >>>more directly involved by establishing a public process in order >>>to enhance the predefined libraries, and may be later, to make an >>>attempt to get these things into ISO etc.. >>> >> >> Don't worry about getting it into the ISO standards, just get people >> using a common set of packages and the rest will follow. There were >> recent efforts here in this newsgroup in the area of containers; you >> are free to choose a different venue. > > Did they manage to get this into an Appendix of the Ada 95 RM, or > did they succeed with there container packages? To the best of my knowledge, they have not yet achieved consensus and multiple implementations among those who are most anxious to see such capability. That is the first step. Even for language core features, the GNAT implementation of Ada is ready-made for local experimentation prior to proposal for standardization. >> There is _nothing_ about the ISO process that is holding you back, >> and libraries/packages have little to do with core language changes. >> > The problem is now to find the correct platform (organisation) to > develope the process. Is there already something in the community > or has something new to be setup? The problem is to create a useful detailed proposal, with multiple worked examples. To the best of my knowledge, the ARG will consider such an example when presented. Check the Lists discussions on this newsgroup within the past few months for a good example. There was a lot of discussion about features that are needed, and nobody was worried about how to get it standardized.