From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada 2012 Constraints (WRT an Ada IR) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 17:26:58 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <92ed75e9-baae-455c-9e34-53348dc6eaef@googlegroups.com> <03847fd7-5699-48de-bb3c-ef5512398f26@googlegroups.com> <3ef819e8-55f7-4ef7-9f37-77e6abc33f98@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s3c6wwRqkurrfTZpuYYZ+w.user.gioia.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:32586 Date: 2016-12-03T17:26:58+01:00 List-Id: On 2016-12-03 15:02, G.B. wrote: > On 03.12.16 11:23, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> On 2016-12-02 20:50, G.B. wrote: >>> On 02.12.16 17:21, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >>>> Predicates are just arbitrary expressions the programmer sets without >>>> understanding all effects of his actions. >>> >>> So are programs. >> >> When written in C? > > No, Ada. Ada programs are not written without understanding what they do, not usually. > The question that you didn't answer was about how all normal > Ada source texts can be known to express a fully proven program, > by omitting assertions and replacing them with something else. I was answering to your claim about how [Ada] programs are written. > There will be > no run-time assertions caused by this Assert. Guess why? No idea, it is irrelevant. The discussion was about predicates. > Predicates, a.k.a. all Boolean expressions, are our only way > of making statements that can be true or not. Or so I have learned. But in this discussion predicates have the meaning defined in Ada RM. My point was about their usefulness for Ada programming. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de