From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "G.B." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is Python higher level than Ada? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:01:15 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <874m37ewvw.fsf@nightsong.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@futureapps.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:00:43 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="73a1f54f2338c78d01fa04a4104fc8a0"; logging-data="8681"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/bthszkMxDUY+ekxes8FX/WUdWNyxwLmI=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 In-Reply-To: <874m37ewvw.fsf@nightsong.com> Cancel-Lock: sha1:J/NRAPuuBC9oOQYACq/zXTmCJJA= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:32340 Date: 2016-11-16T14:01:15+01:00 List-Id: On 16/11/2016 07:56, Paul Rubin wrote: > letting you think of the problem more naturally. John von Neumann has reportedly commented on a predecessor of Fortran, classifying it as a waste of valuable human resources (comparing to direct control of the computational apparatus). So, thinking of a problem in terms of a particular language is perhaps tied to one's particular nature. Then, there are the old levels up to declarative style logical database evaluators; also, there are formalisms that will incur paradoxes, e.g. lambda calculus, in contrast others like FOL, IINM. CLOS has had metaclasses for a long time (Smalltalk, too?), also EVAL and COMPILE, but still isn't any lower or higher than the competition, I think. The Shen language's type system is Turing complete. Does that make it higher level? Formally, is there something high above types? Maybe, specifying "reduced size/complexity" (Dmitry), the level of a language becomes higher whenever things are taken away from it, such as detail, control of computational operations, control of concurrent execution, addressing I/O specifics, ... The highest level language will be that which allows a PHB to express both the problem description and its solution in just one speech bubble addressing Dilbert.