From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "G.B." Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Bug in Ada - Latin 1 is not a subset of UTF-8 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:09:11 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <86f0d2fe-d498-4bc4-bb9d-e34629c89bb4@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: nonlegitur@futureapps.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:08:54 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="f28d4d9e002b08ad13f896787673606f"; logging-data="4803"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+hb6IVujuyQ11YpejxtJLTSECaa7Zvk3c=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:UsxTaxeXLYXp35I/94ImyB++ZAk= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:32113 Date: 2016-10-18T12:09:11+02:00 List-Id: On 18.10.16 10:45, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On 18/10/2016 10:23, G.B. wrote: >> On 18.10.16 09:41, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >>> On 18/10/2016 01:25, G.B. wrote: >>>> On 17.10.16 22:18, Lucretia wrote: >>> >>>> According to ISO 10646, UTF stands for UCS Transformation >>>> Format. So, it's a format, suggesting a representation. >>>> >>>> On similar grounds, one could define a string subtype for >>>> other types of objects, for example >>>> >>>> subtype Number_String is String; >>> >>> You are wrong. >> >> The constraints on either UTF_String or or Number_String are >> not expressible as simple Ada subtypes. They are given by >> description and normative reference, respectively. > > In the case of UTF-8 it is not a constraint. Not an Ada constraint, in particular insofar as UTF-8 means a representation; still, any UTF-8 encoded "string" of UCS objects is wellformed and it satisfies a predicate that involves all components x, x', x'', ... of a UTF_8_String object, by stating that if x matches 2#10......#, then x' is such-and-such, and so on. I'm not sure this predicate is easily stated as a stand-alone type invariant, for example, but that's the idea. It shouldn't have to be visible to Ada programmers. > > Numeric character is a constraint expressible in Ada: > > subtype Numeric is Character range '0'..'9'; > > Numeric string constraint is not expressible, but it still a constraint. (Although, the Numeric_String subtype described earlier will have a meaningless constraint on Numeric, since all remainders are values both in base 256 and in Character. Come to think of it, the example format is broken. #-) -- "HOTDOGS ARE NOT BOOKMARKS" Springfield Elementary teaching staff