From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Simon Clubley Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: [OT] VMS, was: Re: Could you write a BSD like os in ADA? Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:11:30 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <79e591f0-3c3e-42b2-ad1f-3e59a031531e@googlegroups.com> <94756e03-7788-4032-a70b-3a0468fc3af9@googlegroups.com> <2b473012-b01e-4c46-add5-048889bf20df@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:11:30 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="92eb0e192c5d05dc170a106dfc2a3a59"; logging-data="8465"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/K9UjhG7AQTX7D/1GOW3oGH0BBHl6eqR4=" User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GBYXngbW0GwOFDsuUhcDmIsxOVI= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:31631 Date: 2016-08-28T09:11:30+00:00 List-Id: On 2016-08-28, Bob Broderbund wrote: > On 2016-08-28, Simon Clubley wrote: >> On 2016-08-23, Bob Broderbund wrote: >>> >>> VMS is a good OS but it's far behind MVS and seems to be suffering from a >>> loss of (management) direction and not enough cash. >> >> That latter bit is putting it mildly. :-( >> >>> It probably started >>> going downhill when it moved from being owned and managed end-to-end by one >>> company to today where it is spread across two companies for software and >>> another one or two for hardware. >>> >> >> HP still supply hardware and software support for VMS running on HP >> supported hardware. > > That's not really what I meant. What I meant was I think VMS's best days > were when it was totally controlled by one company _and_ had bespoke > hardware to run on. True, HP does own the kit and kaboodle but Itanic wasn't > designed to run VMS. It's just another monstrosity that VMS happened to be > ported to. There is a big difference. > Oh, I see what you mean now and agree with you about IA64. However, given the general move to a core set of standard architectures in today's world, the reality is that VMS needs to run on a mainstream server architecture (which IA64 never was) in order to remain a possible option to be considered. >> The VSI effort is a recent effort (relatively speaking) and is targeted to >> completely new platforms for VMS; it has absolutely nothing to do with the >> decline of VMS within HP. > > Is that true? If HP wasn't letting VMS die a slow death then where's the > business case for VSI? I would argue it is exactly the decline of VMS within > HP that made VSI possible and necessary. > I misunderstood what you were getting at. Yes, in that light, VSI are indeed trying to do the job that HP _should_ have been doing but whose board were instead more interested in next quarter's figures only. :-( > > There is another problem though. Hercules has been plagued by internal > strife and development has forked a few times and nobody is talking to > anybody else. IBM has been putting out new hardware faster than Hercules can > keep up with and they're also encrypting some of the system images. I > suspect in a short time Hercules will no longer be able to run z/OS at all. > I didn't know any of that. Thanks. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980s technology to a 21st century world