From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 102b75,501ec19d1d81daee X-Google-Attributes: gid102b75,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,db9a11afb3da4240 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-02 14:05:10 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!forum.apple.com!news.apple.com!handma2.apple.com!user From: name99@mac.com (Maynard Handley) Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors. Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 13:51:39 -0800 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <3CA0A166.501E1D68@despammed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: handma2.apple.com X-Trace: news.apple.com 1017784394 24240 17.202.32.152 (2 Apr 2002 21:53:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.apple.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:53:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch:26328 comp.lang.ada:22018 Date: 2002-04-02T13:51:39-08:00 List-Id: In article , "Marin David Condic" wrote: > "Georg Bauhaus" wrote in message > news:a7vdf8$mjh$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de... > > In comp.lang.ada Maynard Handley wrote: > > > > : No it doesn't. Where do I get my Ada IDE for Mac or Windows at a > > : reasonable price (<$250)? > > > > What real-world IDE are you referring to? > > > Good point. Last I checked MSVC++ was considerably more than $250 in its > least expensive form. It has a really nice IDE in many respects - very well > integrated editor, library manager, GUI builder & debugger - but it > certainly wasn't that low cost. > > Is there something equivalent in any language that comes out at a price tag > under $250? > (1) Anyone who thinks Dev Studio is a nice IDE clearly doesn't have very high standards. Dev Studio is a piece of junk. To give some obvious examples: --- no way to order the files in the file view by "conceptual order" rather than alphabetically --- painful search and replace facilities --- no function or header popup menus --- stupid tiled-window UI that wastes huge amounts of space and does not easily allow one to re-arrange windows to focus on what one is currently doing --- very painful viewing of memory/stack/arrays/disassembly etc in the debugger If you want to see what a GOOD IDE looks like, look at Metrowerks. (2) I've no idea what CodeWarrior for Linux gives you, but it costs $149. The blurb seems to indicate that it gives you the IDE parts (which is what I am talking about), while using gcc, gdb and so on for the low-level parts. (CodeWarrior for Mac and Windows using its own compilers is $599 which I imagine is the same sort of price as Dev Studio.) (3) Apple's ProjectBuilder (which sucks compared to Metrowerks IMHO, but is on the same sort of level as Dev Studio) is, as far as I know, free, apart from the usual "sign up with Apple" nonsense. Maynard