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soft-eng wrote:
> PS:  Another interesting link on how to get quality products
> done:
> 
> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/TwoStories.html

I'm impressed.  If that's truly typical of Microsoft management.

OTOH, somehow it hasn't stopped them from churning out garbage
year after year.