From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,URI_NOVOWEL autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: New to Ada, why these warning messages? Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 15:53:36 -0700 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net; news.eternal-september.org Message-ID: References: <87y4c7y9nq.fsf@theworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:51:00 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="caa759af2a9c666aec02942f6fe5abd6"; logging-data="23039"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19iT+nqa2BkcRx+6XESE8mlshQyG6VgJog=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 In-Reply-To: <87y4c7y9nq.fsf@theworld.com> X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://freenews.netfront.net Cancel-Lock: sha1:1XtF2UiXXZCr+/SFgi73zYiLYFM= Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:28986 Date: 2016-01-02T15:53:36-07:00 List-Id: On 01/02/2016 02:05 PM, Bob Duff wrote: > "Jeffrey R. Carter" writes: > >> We have hard data across multiple application domains showing that deployed C >> has 4 times the errors of deployed Ada. > > Do you have a cite for that? (I know about the Steve Ziegler paper.) There's Ziegler's paper, which you know about, at http://archive.adaic.com/intro/ada-vs-c/cada_art.html#xtocid153455 (for those who don't know about it) and there was a posting here on c.l.a by Marin Condic about jet-engine control S/W at Pratt & Whitney that reported similar results; about 4 times the errors and about 10 times the effort per error was the average I took away from those. Some would also cite McCormick's real-time course results for this, but while it clearly shows reduction in development effort for Ada compared to C, since no one ever finished the project in C, I can't see that it provides any information on error rates. Information about it is at http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/702523/9458053/1290008042427/200008-McCormick.pdf?token=C60YTOwv6V6y%2BJDCChhjKp2Vp4U%3D for those not familiar with it. -- Jeff Carter "If I could find a sheriff who so offends the citizens of Rock Ridge that his very appearance would drive them out of town ... but where would I find such a man? Why am I asking you?" Blazing Saddles 37