From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,93a8020cc980d113 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada? References: <1176150704.130880.248080@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <461B52A6.20102@obry.net> <461BA892.3090002@obry.net> <82dgve.spf.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1176226291.589741.257600@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4eaive.6p9.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1176396382.586729.195490@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> From: Markus E Leypold Organization: N/A Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:11:02 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4Idu4tNXslkPG9TcC1AlG1W/n9M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.204.82 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1176401019 88.72.204.82 (12 Apr 2007 20:03:39 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.germany.com!news.unit0.net!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14999 Date: 2007-04-12T20:11:02+02:00 List-Id: "kevin cline" writes: > On Apr 11, 6:45 pm, Brian May wrote: >> >>>>> "Jean-Pierre" == Jean-Pierre Rosen writes: >> >> Jean-Pierre> My experience is that recompiling (generally a single >> Jean-Pierre> body where you added the trace) is much faster than >> Jean-Pierre> starting the debugger, setting breakpoints, skipping >> Jean-Pierre> lots of unnecessary breaks, and so on. >> >> Assuming you notice that a bug exists. This is a big problem I have >> had especially with most interpreted languages. The only way you can >> be sure the code is bug free is too regularly test every possible >> path, including different error conditions.... > > Are you claiming that use of Ada makes it safe to release code that > has never been tested? Actually -- why not? In my experience spuriously tested Ada code usually has the quality of extensively tested C code. Perhaps my cases where not really comparable, but it is astonishing how much Ada code is "just right" if it compiles. Of course we're not talking about embedded programs / control systems of whatever kind here. And those should probably better verified and/or extenseively formally reviewd instead of only tested. Remember: Formal review is a (proven) much better QA tool than testing. Regards -- Markus