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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Question about OO programming in Ada
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:36:29 +0100
Date: 2003-12-09T15:36:29+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mumbtvgts988u9vdrbjqhmd4o43nf0176o@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1070976556.767919@master.nyc.kbcfp.com

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:29:16 -0500, Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>
wrote:

>Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> Dispatch table is a property of a dispatching subroutine.
>
>No it's not, at least not in the nearly universal C++ implementation.
>In that approach, there exists one dispatch table per tagged class
>with slots for each virtual function of that class. Then every object
>of that class contains a pointer to this single dispatch table. To
>make a dispatching call, the compiler accesses the dispatch table
>using the index corresponding to the function being called, and calls
>the method found there. (The model is more complicated due to virtual
>and multiple inheritance, so that an object may contain pointers to
>more than one dispatch table, and the addresses are sometimes to fixup
>thunks, but that doesn't matter here.)
>
>I'm pretty sure that at least GNAT implements Ada dispatching the
>same way.

Again, implementation issue is irrelevant. It is a subroutine that is
dispatching [in a parameter]. The object is not. The difference
becomes especially clear, when you consider multiple dispatch.

>> It is a complementary view. Either we say that the type of an object
>> is mutating or that the type of a formal parameter does (= changing
>> the dispatch table = changing the subroutine parameter profile). The
>> effect is same. It is no more strongly typed.
>
>In C++, the type of 'this' in a method is always 'pointer-to-class-type-
>of-this-method', or a const variant of that. The (dynamic) type of the
>object pointed to by 'this' can change as control passes through *tors.

This is exaclty what I meant by claiming that it is not a class-wide
pointer. A dispatching subroutine is defined on the whole class
(=closure of the domains of all derived types). Each override
represents a part of its body called according to the type tag. The
behaviour in C++ constructors/destructors clearly violates this. So
either the type is not class-wide or the subroutine is not
dispatching. Choose what you want, the result is same.

>Note that for typical C++ implementations we are not just "saying" that
>the type of the object changes; the generated code actually modifies the
>dispatch table pointer stored within the object as it progresses through
>its construction and destruction. (In fact, I believe Microsoft's C++
>compiler offers an option to disable this for efficiency when you can
>assure it that it won't matter.)

--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-09 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-25 19:04 Question about OO programming in Ada Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-25 20:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-11-26  0:34   ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-26  6:17     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-11-26  9:29     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-11-26 15:54     ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26 20:07       ` Randy Brukardt
2003-11-26 21:36         ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26  8:56   ` Peter Hermann
2003-11-25 20:55 ` Martin Krischik
2003-11-26  0:22   ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-26  1:00     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-11-26 16:36     ` Martin Krischik
2003-11-26 18:09       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-11-27 13:45         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-11-25 21:48 ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26  0:01   ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-26  1:16     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-11-26 15:10     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-11-26 15:48     ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26 16:24       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-11-26 17:58     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-11-27  2:10       ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-27 10:15         ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-11-27 18:35         ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-11-28  4:35           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-11-28  7:28             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-11-28  8:46               ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-11-28 10:16                 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-12-01 15:57             ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-01 16:47               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 18:35                 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-01 21:13               ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-12-02  8:47               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03  9:29                 ` Pascal Obry
2003-12-03 11:26                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 12:49                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-12-03 13:41                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 14:11                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-12-03 14:45                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 15:44                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 16:11                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 18:20                           ` David C. Hoos
     [not found]                           ` <28eb01c3b9ca$25b18870$b101a8c0@sy.com>
2003-12-03 18:35                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 20:05                           ` Randy Brukardt
2003-12-03 20:57                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 21:16                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 22:04                           ` Pascal Obry
2003-12-03 22:34                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-04  1:23                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-04  7:15                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-04 17:43                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-12-04  8:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-04 19:13                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2003-12-04 19:29                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-04 21:32                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-05  8:43                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-11-27 22:12         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-11-28  6:37           ` Simon Wright
2003-11-30  2:51             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-06  7:48 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-06 13:33   ` Jeff C,
2003-12-06 22:44   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-07  3:02     ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-07  7:53       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-07 15:34         ` James Rogers
2003-12-07 18:30           ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-07 20:25             ` James Rogers
2003-12-08  3:36               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08  4:42                 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08  8:42                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08  9:34                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-08 13:25                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 15:05                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09  4:38                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09  8:19                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09 13:29                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 14:36                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2003-12-09 15:05                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 15:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09 16:41                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-10 11:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-10 15:27                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-10 17:15                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-08 17:55                       ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 23:09                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09  8:26                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-08 19:33                       ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-09  4:41                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 17:27                     ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 18:44                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-08 19:27                         ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-08 19:36                         ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-09  4:43                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 23:23                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 19:25                     ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-07 21:29           ` Peter C. Chapin
2003-12-08  3:44             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08  3:46           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08  5:54             ` James Rogers
2003-12-08  8:45               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-07 17:39         ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 23:39           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09  2:36             ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-09  4:52               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 11:24               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-09 18:42                 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-09 20:11                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 23:40           ` Hyman Rosen
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